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Your questions answered: Streamr on the Ethereum network

Curiosity about the Streamr project from the community continues to grow, along with the broader interest in decentralised applications, blockchain technology and smart contacts.

Three-and-a-half months on from our crowdfunding, many of you out there have sent us some really in-depth questions with a number of them centring in around Streamr’s interaction with Ethereum.

You had concerns about Ethereum scaling, in what ways Streamr is blockchain agnostic and how DATA coin might function on different blockchains in the future. They’re all brilliant questions and so we’ve decided to compile them – along with our answers of course – in one handy to read blog.

So, let’s see what’s been on your minds …


Q: Which is the first blockchain Streamr will be built around?

On the Streamr Network level we will first build on Ethereum, because it exists, it’s proven and production-ready, has the feature set we need, and it is familiar to us. We may choose to launch other variants in the future, depending on how the space evolves.

The Streamr Engine, on the other hand, can have (and is planned to have) integrations with various blockchains earlier on.


Q: Are streams and their configuration (not the data) registered as Smart Contracts on Ethereum?

A: Not yet, but they will be. It also depends on how Ethereum evolves. If stream metadata, canvases, etc. are too much for Ethereum on the short-to-medium timeframe, Plan B is to only store references to the metadata on Ethereum, with the metadata itself stored in distributed non-blockchain storage (Swarm, IPFS, etc.)


Q: Regarding Ethereum gas requirements: would data brokers be required to hold an Ethereum deposit in order to pay gas fees? If so, why not just have a decentralised exchange trade the DATA bounty for gas?

A: Yes, the brokers need to interact with Ethereum periodically, so they will need some ETH to do so. Obviously, the ETH costs of participation set a lower limit to the DATA bounties, because running a node should be profitable.

Regarding the idea of using a decentralised exchange – it could be done. This would allow the broker to only care about its DATA balance, effectively making the system “DATA only” towards the user and hide the complexities of needing to have ETH for gas. It should be noted that the decentralised exchange might add some gas/usage costs of its own though – say ETH or OMG – which may negate some of the benefits of the idea, since then you’d have to manage that balance instead.


Q: Has there been any discussion by the team as to the size of bounty rewards or is this a market determined price?

A: Ideally the rewards (i.e. usage costs of the network) would be market determined in a process similar to e.g. gas price auction on Ethereum. Some nodes might be willing to store and deliver data for cheaper prices than some others, possibly gaining them more users, more responsibility, and more rewards in the network. This is a very tempting idea. But it probably won’t be present in any of the first versions, as it’s another non-trivial feature to build. We’d love to see it included at some stage though.


Q: If Streamr can run alongside most blockchains, does this mean something could be sent from a device on the ethereum blockchain, and be received by something on say IOTA? Can anything else do this?

A: Using the Ethereum blockchain to broadcast data is slow, expensive, and mostly inappropriate. That’s one of the main reasons why Streamr is needed. A sensor could send data to the Streamr network, enabling trustless and decentralised delivery of that data to (potentially decentralised) applications.

These (potentially decentralised) applications could process the data and/or connect it (in other words, act as an oracle) to other systems such as Ethereum or IOTA.

One way to build such applications that consume, process and connect data is to use the Streamr Engine, powered by the visual programming environment (Streamr Editor). Data-consuming applications can also be built using any traditional programming language.

Today these applications are typically run on centralised servers. In the future even the application layer may be decentralised by running the apps on decentralised computing networks, such as Golem.


Q: If Streamr can pretty much decide to run with any Blockchain and isn’t necessarily tied to Ethereum, then if you decide to run on Neo, Ripple or IOTA will you have to issue new tokens? And what happens to my DATA? Does it maintain its value and/or is it replaced?

A: New DATA tokens will never be issued. If variants of Streamr run alongside different blockchains in the future, there will be a way to move tokens between the different ecosystems. There are basically two ways to accomplish this.

The simplest way to do it would be to have an ‘oracle’ that burns the tokens sent to it on one chain and has the power to mint the same amount of tokens on another chain. This, however, is a partially centralised solution that requires trust in whoever runs the oracle (presumably that would be us). On the positive side, it could be done today.

An interchain solution like Polkadot or Status might enable doing it in a trustless way. The tech is not quite there yet (nor is ours), but the future will hold very interesting possibilities. Ideally there would be only one Streamr network delivering data over different blockchain ecosystems and interoperating seamlessly with each one. Decentralised exchanges and interchain connections would help make sure that it doesn’t matter which ecosystem you and the users of your app operate in.

That said, the plan is, and has always been, to have the network up and running alongside Ethereum first before spreading out the focus too much. Adding blockchains is much more easily said than done. Such a thing is not in the roadmap and will most likely not be added in the current milestones.


Q: Ethereum supports roughly 15 transactions per second and takes approximately 4 min to perform each one. Is it an issue for Streamr (IoT generates a large amount of transactions) and are you planning to use a more efficient blockhain?

A: The whole Streamr Network currently runs, and will continue to run, off-chain. Only some operations (e.g. user authentication and paying) will go to the blockchain. The actual raw data will never be put on-chain. So, no, the low amount of transactions handled by Ethereum per second shouldn’t be an issue for us.

Also, Streamr is blockchain agnostic. If someday the capability of Ethereum is not enough (and the Ethereum network hasn’t grown enough until then), we can relatively easily migrate to some other system suitable for our needs. While Ripple is great in its own area, it’s “centralised” and not flexible enough for our needs. (e.g. the absence of smart contracts).

So what does that all mean? If a volume-related problem appears on the Ethereum network in the future, we’d move.

However, it is worth noting that we’re planning a subscription-based approach. That means that buyers of data streams purchase them over time. This means not every single data point is separately logged as a transaction

Concerning IoT – subscriptions could be just a second or two (or even shorter). That would indeed create settlement volume. But at the moment, we’re focusing on first creating a model that works for today’s data economy, right now.


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How we plan to build the world’s leading data marketplace in 2018

Last week we announced some big news. For a few months, you’ve been telling us that you wanted a roadmap with firmer timetables. Needless to say, your opinions are super important to us, so we’ve acted. In our monthly update vlog Transmission #3 I announced that Streamr will be delivering a fully functioning Data Marketplace by the end of 2018 if not before. This is a big challenge. To show you just how big, I want to underline in more detail what that means for the project and our community.

What is the Marketplace?

There are four pieces of technology that Streamr is built upon. The first two – the Engine and Editor – are fully operational. The Engine is there to refine real-time information and automate actions around its use. The Editor is a visual programming tool to help make it easier to take that data and turn it into something even more interesting. These two components currently run on a centralised version of the Streamr Network.

The Marketplace and the decentralised Network are what’s still to come. We’re going to be talking about the Network in March at an event in London. It’s here that we’ll showcase what it will take to go from our current cloud-based infrastructure to a decentralised version as mapped out in our whitepaper.

Right now, our focus is on the Marketplace. To un-silo the world’s data and enable monetary returns for the globe’s data generators (a.k.a. you and me), we need a space in which buyers and sellers can come together. That’s the Marketplace. It’s as simple as that. Our goal is to build the world’s leading data marketplace and that means it has to be effortless to use, draws together a large number of players who want to transact on it and supports today’s data-driven business models as well as future ones. It also has to enable developers around the world to build and create from it.

The road to market

Building the Marketplace is not simply a technical endeavour, (and that already comes with some tough challenges!), it pulls on all of our team’s abilities; our business acumen and our skills as designers and communicators. Let me explain these strands in a little more detail and how we will be bringing them together over the next months.

The technical challenges of building the Marketplace are detailed in our Whitepaper. But next week I will publish a Trello board which will give the Streamr community a more fine-grained insight into what we need to achieve, and what is still left outstanding both in building the Marketplace but also more widely to reach Milestone 1 in our roadmap. Shortly after that, developer Aapeli Haanpuu will publish the first of our monthly developer updates.

So, what are the other elements of this process?

Well, there’s little point building a marketplace that functions on a technical level if there aren’t buyers and sellers to populate it. That’s what our COO, Risto Karjalainen, is currently working on. We’ve been at invitation-only meetings such as SAP’s IoT accelerator event in Berlin over the last month, and privately, all C level members of the Streamr team have been meeting with dozens of companies large and small. What most of these companies want from us now is more in-depth technical help in order to create functioning demos and use cases. This takes resources such as devs and people with experience in forging partnerships. We recognised this need a few months ago, which is why we started hiring and looking of ways to expand. Of course, onboarding can slow project development as current team members spend their time training new staff. However, we may have found a neat solution. As I mentioned in Transmission #3, we should have more news on that in several weeks from now.

On the technical design and branding front, it’s progressing well. Our CDO, Matt Innes, has already presented first drafts on the re-brand which I’ve greenlit. He has also started working on the UI/UX for the Marketplace. We can’t wait to share that work with you as it nears completion. You’ll also hear a little more from Matt when our new Meet the Team videos are launched in two weeks from now.

Finally, the last element in launching the Marketplace is communications. Streamr needs to make sure we are not just communicating what we are doing currently, Streamr also needs to be able to market and evangelize about the Marketplace as it arrives. Our head of communications, Shiv Malik has reported that we’re about to sign a contract with a London based events marketing company who work for blue-chip companies, to help us do exactly this for the Marketplace launch.

I hope this gives our wonderfully engaged community some more detail about what’s coming up. And as you can see, it’s full Streamr ahead.